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I just watched a grown man bow down and worship a fruit.

I've been playing NMS since first launch, in 2016 (2000+ hours). I've had to find work-arounds. There were many issues in the early game, but I knew that the procedural generation was experimental. Maybe it's luck, but my experience has been very positive. I suspect, the same can be said by it's long-term fans. After all of our tribulations, following it's long evolution, we're a dedicated community.

NMS, Elite:Dangerous, and Eve Online seem to be the best options at providing a specific gaming experience that most resonates with players. And, each style has it's own strengths, and weaknesses. I expect that the space games to come will, essentially, be doppelgangers of these three games, for better or worse. But, I hope I'm wrong.

Why are you talking so negatively about Star Citizen? :(

Why is it such a baffling question of how do Hello Games manages to support NMS without monetisation? They have a tiny dev team and they sold well in excess of 10 million copies of the game. You don't need to be a big city accountant to understand they are doing alright for money.

37:00 I have always thought a people transport Caterpillar would be excellent.

Agree with Execute about the earn down, yet how can you earn in a Polaris...how?

Ok clearly morph does not look for info when he said their gonna give up on starfield it's been started in multiple interviews that they want to release new dlc every year for the next couple years and wanna support the game still do some resaech before you comment it still played alot espicaly with mods on console and the dlc that's coming

This shows that CIG can not be trusted. The entire perisation with them going to pyro was fake.

I guess I can't say it isn't succeeding because people play it and it never gets negative commentary anymore . But NMS is one of the most boring game I have ever played . just FYI before the angry replies start . I actually played through the story to the center of the verse and seen the ending loop . , i built things . I came back and did a couple different expeditions , i tried a few of the updates . The game makes watching paint dry look like an extreme sport . NMS makes me sleepy . Game just cannot keep me more than a day or 2 when people talk me into trying it after every update

I thought the main issue with NMS at launch was the missing multiplayer that they said was there ...

Space ship fighting has not changed since the first wing commander game.

Yooo! Two of my favorite space game content creators talking about my favorite space game! Great conversation and thoughtful discussion. I will say that Worlds Part 3 is just speculation for the moment, but Part 2 is on the way! Also, @Morphologis I really hope you do obtain the staff you're looking for! The way the game opens up around that content is quite interesting. Happy space travels, y'all!

That PvP switch, as it exists in No Man's Sky, really would not fit in Star Citizen.... But SC should have a guaranteed way, not to be in instances with pro-PvPers, like they said they would in the past. (PvP slider, automated matchmaking systems.)

In the Gameplay Loops in Star Citizen- between glitches and unwanted PvP, it's hard to get anything done- even just mining.

Lemme get this straight.....after 12 years, and a cool three quarter billion....you get a hot, buggy, mess. But you get to blow people up. No Man's Sky is Game that surprises you with realistic aspects, however cartoonish they may appear. Infinite universe, weird-assed animals (you can adopt them), interaction with Alien cultures, and underwater bases. Star Citizen is a realistic simulation that defaults to being called a Game when those efforts fail. I do have hope for them, but the "Buy-In" price is too steep for the state of the development. As far as Multi-Player goes, it requires coordination that means intrusion into the Real World. And who wants to come home from work and spend a couple hours of "mining", only to have that time erased by a pissed off teenager who is deliberately crashing into you because they are having a "Bad Day".

Thank-You so much, it has been excrutiating for the last month listening to content creators rehash evocoti content in SC that has not released yet. This was refreshing for yourself and Morph to talk about an actual game that has released versus technology and development. Do not get me wrong , I love SC and its graphical fidelity and flight model before master modes but lately I have been finding it hard to even try and play SC. Like you said you dont want to play the current patch because of the next patch but then the next patch does not come out for weeks. Now everyone is talking about how great 4.0 is going to be while 3.24 has not been released yet. In the meantime NMS continues to release great content which has provided me hours of great gameplay. The expeditions are great as they allow a shorter 0 to hero gamepath with great rewards which can be added to your main character. It is amazing the things you can do in this game but if you are only stuck on great graphics and flight model at the cost of Gameplay fun you are missing out. I recently started NMS again in VR and the experience is mindblowing. So thank-you Space Tomato and Morphologis for having the courage to show there are other space games out there which are not perfect but are developed by companies who care enough to continue to improve their game to make it fun at no cost. For this reason alone NMS is worth the cost to support Hello Games in improving an actual game. Please show more content. No one is following NMS with the level of Quality Videos Morph and yourself produce. I subscribed to both your channels because of the great content you provided but recently CIG has not been doing you any favors which impacts the content because everyone is talking about the same thing. This Podcast was great. Hope to see more videos on other space games in the future.

Tomato's do go good with SALT. Keep mining and stay strong!

Great session guys! 🙂

What game is pushing out content without selling dLCs? Dwarf Fortress! "Released" in 2006 and finally arrived to Steam in 2022.

still missing the old terra invognita series and good old potatoes

I think that 2 things happened: 1. They really have a passion for NMS and were horrified the deadline was hardlined and they couldn't finish what they wanted. So they continued on with making the game they wanted for the people who bought it (and themselves) 2. A couple of years or so in, they decided to fork the engine off into the Light No Fire project. This allowed them to solve for two problems... making huge leaps in their engine without affecting their main game, porting back over updates and new content as it became possible; and use the opportunity to work towards a redemption launch. Launching a new project someday that will "go the right way" that's just as big and will be awesome for everyone, right from the start.

To me, the biggest reason why no man’s sky launched so poorly was because Sean lied. He was asked if you could see other people, he made a calculated guess based on the size of the universe and said yes , then it was proven there was no multiplayer.

Spacebourne 2 is incredible, but they need to do some polish on it

No Man's Sky is what happens when you replace greed with passion

Morpho, you really piss me off with blaming Sean Murray for NMS thingie. Literally you are repeating yourself. It's not his fault Chris is a failure and he can't rise at the level of Sean. I always thought you aren't right in head and you get people to follow you just because you talk empty like your head and their heads. Sincerely if I see you in someone else vids I rather skip their videos even if I love the guy, obvs they can be friends with ya hahaha can't stop it. But you are shit @Morphologis And I don't know why you such a big name cuz I barely hear of you...

Really wonderful chat about gaming, very enjoyable to listen to while driving ❤

Two of the best creators!

The difference amount of between 3.0 and 4.0 needs to be the difference between 4.0 and 1.0.

Been playing No Man's Sky since the beginning and you guys really nail what is good about it. Thank you. Love this game ❤

Tomato and morph talking about NMS? Count me in!

Two of the most thoughtful commentators in this genre. Great video, thanks for making it happen.

I lost hope CIG will deliver on a promise to have 6DOF looking at what they are doing now with MM - whole game is getting worse and worse and so I become hoping that not SC but STARENGINE will be for sale so some other company can licence it and deliver on a promised Newtonian shipmodels even if ships doesn't have interior or are not so detailed for me it's about flying - is anyone hoping for the same??

A PvP switch is about the one way SC can survive long term. They should start working on that immediately.

I can't wait to see 60 solo polairs flying in a server, which will be completely useless and crashing every server. Then Polairs people crying that the ship is not Flyable Because you cannot control Torpedoes, it handles like a boat in the ship is so big that one or two people can not maintain the engineering cost.

Great conversation! Had me really think about where the industry is going and where we gamers are in all different places. Morph is an incredible CC and he should never stop being him, he's super smart and should never feel held up by the criticism, especially when you're that invested in your craft, ppl think you're too good? bahhh SPACE TOMATO you're my # 1 Star Citizen content creator and try to watch the live streams. You two are of the best creators for this genre and NEVER EVER stop! Much love and respect to both of you!

I tried No Mans Sky... Not my thing. Too cartoony and too heavily on the survival, collect, craft stuff side and the first hour is very chaotic like there's a lot of notifications of things to do just to survive and I can't remember everything to micromanage all of them. Tried Starfield but I was disappointed once I got out to space like, I'm just "floating" around a PNG of the planet and enemies just appear, there's no space flight or combat at all.

Great watch from two great content creators

Hello Games also released The last Campfire game in 2020 a puzzle adventure game ranked 10/10 on steam 9/10 on ign and 83 percent on Metacritic. I bought it as a way to pay hello games back for all the unpaid effort and updates to no mans sky and I know a lot of other no mans sky player bought it too!❤😂

nms: keeps releasing new content. sc: keeps hyping new content, while never delivering said content. i wonder why nms keeps succeeding? a real conundrum huh?

I have 5300 hours in No Mans Sky 😂❤I has a complex stoyline but it unfolds peripherally over a long time in the meantime you explore build and discover it constantly changes and evolves.😂❤oh and building kaleidoscopes!!!!❤

I find no man’s sky to be very shallow content .

This is crazy, Morph's videos are so polished I assumed he was a corporate produced AI personality from CIG. He's real??

Short answer: no man sky delivers. Star citizen is and will Always be a tease

Your salt mining story might have been just the thing to pushed me over the edge to try no man's sky again.

53:39 Tomato, self proclaimed salt miner! This means something very different to me as a long time EVE player XD

When I was young (Get off my lawn!), every new game was a revelation because "I didn't know this was possible" but we've now been through so many years of game development that kids just imagine that anything is possible in game dev. The audience has also changed. Whereas 3 decades ago, most players had some interest in tech beyond games and how it all works, now the audience is so wide, most have no idea how what coding even is, so they can't comprehend the limits of the technology aside from what has already been done. An excellent discussion!

Thankfully, other games are stepping up to fill this void, as Star Citizen is bleeding players left and right. CIG says they are moving in one direction, while their actions show the opposite. They say they "hate Pay to win", while the best ships are locked behind paywall (F7 MK2). They say they want multicrew, while most guns and functions are slave to the pilot, not to the crew. There's little to do as a crewmember (nothing if rule out turret gunner). Engineering is not going to fix it (actually, it'll make it worse), since it only adds more complexity, again making easier to fly "single seaters". They say they are on the road for 1.0, but they don't even know themselves what's the MVP to call it 1.0. They are still making promisses here and there of things to be added (like fishing), instead of giving any depth to the game (distribution centers are just larger bunkers, with nothing new to do). 4.0 is their chance to make it or break it.

I think both tomato and Morph underestimate how much money starfield actually made. It's already covered its development cost and has gained over 200 million in profits, and that's only after a year of its launch. I'm sure they expected it to be more or better received. But that's definitely not a small number to scoff at. Also, Todd Howard said they were already working on the second DLC for Starfield after shattered space. Perhaps many years in the future I could see Bethesda pulling out Starfield again. When the technology is cheaper and more viable to make an amazing sequel.

Over 1700 hours in NMS over the years. It is my favorite open ended space exploration game (with building/crafting). I can't wait to see what comes next! (It also doesn't hurt that every update - over 30 so far - has always been free over the years.)